i hope this works this time, i went to post earlier and got a page not found and of course lost the post, i know i probably should save the post to note pad or the like just in case but then of course i never do. had a problem at work as the transfer didn't run last night so had to move a few things between warehouse and factory in the back of my car.....pickup truck was no where to be found.....but got everything done but unloading the transfer, which i had wanted to get out of the way...oh well turned into a nice day but i spent the late morning and afternoon with housework and yard work.....and wedged in watching the pga and some rugby......feel well tonight but probably will try to get to bed early as tomorrow will be hectic